aquaphire
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Post by aquaphire on Apr 16, 2009 13:28:06 GMT -5
For those of you know that don't know what this is im not going to say but for those that do the WLB is getting littered with exploiters again and i'd really hate to see this version look like it did with the illu/sorc combo. this exploit discourages honest players and rewards the cheaters, i want to know the take from the community and what the devs plan to do about it.
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Post by burtosis on Apr 16, 2009 15:45:00 GMT -5
Well, like I have said a ton before, I would prefer it to be removed. However, with a 'cheat' (for lack of a better term) button *right on the side of the device* people will use it. I was frustrated in the same way - not understanding how people could get such a high score, it seemed impossible. I practiced for hours upon hours and tried possibly into the thousands of times, but could not beat some very high scores. As soon as I discovered the audio hack, I could have kept it secret and just beaten the #1 slot by 10pts. But since others were already using lag exploits (the 1 button audio hack, web page loading, possibly running background scripts on jb phones, etc...) I told the devs and anyone else who wanted to know right away. It is mostly cheap because gen 1 touch users don't have the audio buttons in hardware and thus don't have access to the best lag hack.
Its not just the wlb people that use it, I am betting more than 100 ghosts have been posted using some form of lag hack.
I posted the uber ghost to show that the exploit is there, and how much of an advantage it can give you. I hold both buttons for the whole match, making 1:30 stretch to 45 minutes on my Iphone3g. So far I think it is having the effect I wanted in that it is getting more attention paid into how to fix it.
However, it is more of an OS problem with the apple devices than something the devs have control over. My best guess (as a non-programmer) is to consider it like how to tell if someone is cheating at old school pinball. You need a tilt/shake sensor and if it goes off a little give a warning. Too much and you lose the ball. Same would go for AF. Remember that the audiohack is just the simplest and most effective lag exploit. I am not even sure if you can querry to see if the volume buttons have been depressed or if you can directly query the processor for usage. But my fix would be around looking for 'fishy' processor usage and/or excessive use of the audio buttons and have a 'tilt' function built in to remove this exploit.
Unless we are all missing something, the best weapon exploit seems to be multicolor alchemy which is great because it has the hardest setup. That makes for a more balanced game, with the high risk setup having the highest return.
Edit: Note that the audiohack works on nearly all games that have a 'real time' element. For example, I can do far better at galacon using this exploit. The devs and/or the AF community can complain directly to apple and perhaps (very unlikely though) get apple to fix this bug in a future update.
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Post by barrettj on Apr 16, 2009 20:12:56 GMT -5
Wouldn't a possible fix just be to note the time on the clock when the game starts, note the time on the clock when the game ends, and if it's longer than what it's supposed to be mark the score as invalid? I'd assume developers have access to the time (and if not, they could easily access a website and determine the time - like how the conflicker worm ignores your local time setting by asking various websites).
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Apr 16, 2009 20:33:13 GMT -5
I was thinking of a pause feature, in the game, where the screen goes black, with the word "pause" across it, when any/both audio buttons are pressed.
However, the clock verification sounds good too. Perhaps both could be implemented.
That way it would protect against the audio hack, and possibly other lag techniques as well.
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aquaphire
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Post by aquaphire on Apr 16, 2009 21:23:25 GMT -5
Would reseting ghosts on WLB be unreasonable?
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Post by Danielle Cassley on Apr 17, 2009 1:29:23 GMT -5
This should be fixed now in the most recent update that went out today.
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Post by Danielle Cassley on Apr 17, 2009 1:31:52 GMT -5
We are working on the best way to reset the WLB so that old version of games don't pollute it again. Once we have the best solution we will let you know. In the meantime we appreciate your patience.
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Post by fantasious on Apr 17, 2009 2:02:10 GMT -5
By audio buttons, are you referring to the volume control buttons on the side of the device, because I have a 2nd gen ipod touch and it doesn't have any audio buttons, just a volume control? I tried lagging and all it does is just increase/decrease the volume... Does this mean that only iphone users can exploit the bug?
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Apr 17, 2009 2:21:30 GMT -5
Yes, it's the volume buttons, and no, it's not iPhone-exclusive.
You have to press both buttons simultaneously, and keep them down.
It's really a very cheesey way to get a high score, and it takes away from those of us who actually have achieved our high-scoring ghosts legitimately. The only way to keep things fair, is to reset the whole board, and sadly, that includes legitimate ghosts as well. I just hope there are no more exploits waiting to be discovered.
I'd like to start playing the game for real.
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Post by fantasious on Apr 17, 2009 2:34:15 GMT -5
Oh, haha... well I wouldn't mind my score getting reset. I achieved a x57 chain multiplier without this exploit and I believe I can do it again...
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arwen
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Post by arwen on Apr 17, 2009 5:16:28 GMT -5
Yay.. Finally! Now? Maybe reset the WLB once again.. But please not the honor points of those peeps (I have duelled a lot without hack to unlock all the deamons! Not my ghost!)
PS: I saw many ghosts who used illu-sorc-illu exploit.. They will ever been reset?
I think the character Larry118 or somthing like that hasn,t upgraded not yet, I saw his last ghost was about 30k strengh witht the old trick.. So players who hasn't upgraded are able to use all the old hack/exploits..
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Apr 17, 2009 9:01:47 GMT -5
That's why they haven't reset the WLB again yet.
They're working on preventing older instalations from posting to it.
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Post by burtosis on Apr 17, 2009 14:52:35 GMT -5
I haven't updated yet, but there are people on chat who swear they have updated and can still audiohack... Just an FYI
Also, it would be nice to remove the other lag hacks. The time stamp should do it if nothing else will. You would be allowed at most 2-3 seconds discrepency or it won't upload your ghost.
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Post by firekiller on Apr 17, 2009 17:27:26 GMT -5
Hmm... Well i hacked my 26k ghost. The time stamp would fix ALL the hacks, like Plus/burtosis said. Oh and fyi those ppl who swear they updated are bs. They obviously havent updated OR are using the webpage hack.
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Post by fantasious on Apr 17, 2009 20:11:45 GMT -5
What does the webpage hack do? Is it another lag exploit?
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