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Post by cowboyshootist on Aug 31, 2008 17:00:33 GMT -5
I never fail to get a chuckle when people suggest that someone else's hard work go un-compensated. At the low cost ( under $10) of most of the iPhone/iPod Touch apps I don't see much reason for any of them to be "free".
A "free" demo version might be a good thing so people can get a taste for the game, but I fully recommend that the devs get paid for their hard work. The PayPal donation suggestion is crap as most people won't bother to make a donation.
Here's a question you should ask yourself next time you go to your paying job. If the boss came up to you and said, "Hey dude, how about you work this shift for free?", how many people would quit on the spot?
$5-$10 is not alot to pay for a high quality game/app especially considering the amount you paid for the phone/iPod and the monthly service fee.
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Sept 1, 2008 21:27:06 GMT -5
I just gave you karma, cowboyshootist, because I agree 100% with your message. I am a sales manager at a car dealership. I do not unfairly cheat people--I negotiate deals with the objective of making the highest possible profit for my dealership, and we are able to successfully do so, without cheating people. Cheating people is when you lie, break the law, and sell them intangible items with no real benefit. I am honest, and ethical, and I expect to be compensated for my work. As a capitalist, I also believe that everyone else should be compensated for their work. Anything that is worth having, is worth paying for, and I have no problem paying well for a job well done.
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Post by timdrekkin on Sept 6, 2008 20:57:47 GMT -5
I never fail to get a chuckle when people suggest that someone else's hard work go un-compensated. At the low cost ( under $10) of most of the iPhone/iPod Touch apps I don't see much reason for any of them to be "free". A "free" demo version might be a good thing so people can get a taste for the game, but I fully recommend that the devs get paid for their hard work. The PayPal donation suggestion is crap as most people won't bother to make a donation. Here's a question you should ask yourself next time you go to your paying job. If the boss came up to you and said, "Hey dude, how about you work this shift for free?", how many people would quit on the spot? $5-$10 is not alot to pay for a high quality game/app especially considering the amount you paid for the phone/iPod and the monthly service fee. First off, way to necro a thread. ;D Please people, let's post more threads, so my old ones don't get necro'd! Since your post was obviously an attack at mine, well, you asked for it. I never fail to get a chuckle when people suggest that someone else's hard work go un-compensated. While the market for games right now is saturated due to every and any developer making a low cost (under $10) game the free ones are ultimately the ones which get the most downloads. It's natural. People gravitate to the word FREE. Free, as in Open? And free as in Free Beer. I fully recommend that since such problems, including but not limited to the fact that my character's data seems to be fried (subject to change), there is absolutely NO reason for the game to have a cost. Now if they supply a Time Capsule fix ( ) then I take all of this paragraph back. I agree with a demo version. But how many demo version apps are on the store? Very, VERY few. However it is the mere spirit of the openness which makes some things very great. Many people make donations via PayPal for various applications and such. Besides, then 100% or at least more than 70% would go to them. As I've seen no response from the devs (and while it would be cool for them to comment, I don't expect them to) I don't know how they feel about this. As for the paying job comment? That would work well in a conversation based on a product which did cost the end user money and then some idiot decided to say "Let's make it free". That'd be different. I'm not that idiot, since it was never a paid-for product. But regardless, ever hear of volunteer work? I'm going to go as far as to say that issues and problems like this would not be tolerated in a paid-for product. All it would take regarding this DEAD TOPIC is one of them to say "In the future we are going to keep it free" or "In the future we will charge for the game" Or even better, "We will make a full and demo version". But I'm sure they're busy, and by rights they should be. No harm no foul. But thanks for your input, user. " I am a sales manager at a car dealership. I do not unfairly cheat people--I negotiate deals with the objective of making the highest possible profit for my dealership, and we are able to successfully do so, without cheating people. Cheating people is when you lie, break the law, and sell them intangible items with no real benefit. I am honest, and ethical, and I expect to be compensated for my work. " Dude. What? How would keeping the app free have ANYTHING to do with cheating? You're mixing this up with someone like me cracking a paid app. You're selling CARS. SELLING. The app right now is FREE. And should STAY FREE if they expect to keep a userbase, OR make their already great product a hell of a lot better to get a paying one. Please guys, stay on topic. Or better yet, close this topic, since it seems you guys can't leave dead ones alone. And for the record, I only bop on if there's an issue with my app.
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Post by macrocker on Sept 6, 2008 21:35:50 GMT -5
I never fail to get a chuckle when people suggest that someone else's hard work go un-compensated. At the low cost ( under $10) of most of the iPhone/iPod Touch apps I don't see much reason for any of them to be "free". A "free" demo version might be a good thing so people can get a taste for the game, but I fully recommend that the devs get paid for their hard work. The PayPal donation suggestion is crap as most people won't bother to make a donation. Here's a question you should ask yourself next time you go to your paying job. If the boss came up to you and said, "Hey dude, how about you work this shift for free?", how many people would quit on the spot? $5-$10 is not alot to pay for a high quality game/app especially considering the amount you paid for the phone/iPod and the monthly service fee. You are wrong. Many people care to donate. Because they appreciate the game. Not to pay first and then find out they don't like it. Because there are no refunds. Stay Free. Last thing I could say about this game.
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Post by eambo on Sept 7, 2008 16:23:58 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm jumping to conclusions here, but surely Apple has no say about what goes on in these forums? I don't see why the devs couldn't set up a paypal "Donate" link on the forums and allow people to donate. Keep the game free, allow people to donate, and I would say ads in the game itself wouldn't be too bad either. Annoying obviously, but I'd be willing to stare at an ad while it loads if it helped keep the game free. And as one of the most popular apps on the apple store I daresay people would jump at the opportunity to get their ads into the game.
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Post by eliu87 on Sept 7, 2008 17:20:44 GMT -5
timdrekkin: I hate to disagree, but... Take a quick surf through 'All Free Apps'. I can't go a page without seeing tons of 'XYZ Lite', 'ABC Free Edition', or 'DEF Ad Sponsored' I would bet over 50% of the apps that are free are supposed to entice you to buy the full version. So there are many free versions. The question is, whether they work. eambo: If the devs really wanted to get money (for want of a better phrase ), I think charging a modest fee, say 99 cents, would be the easiest way! For those who pick at every single word, I AM NOT suggesting in even the slightest way that AF is worth only 99 cents. I am simply saying it would be more effective than a donate link. I AM ALSO NOT suggesting that the devs should make AF a paid game. The devs can do whatever they want, and SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO CHARGE, I support them charging any price they want, as long as it can be justified.
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Post by eambo on Sept 7, 2008 17:30:50 GMT -5
timdrekkin: I hate to disagree, but... Take a quick surf through 'All Free Apps'. I can't go a page without seeing tons of 'XYZ Lite', 'ABC Free Edition', or 'DEF Ad Sponsored' I would bet over 50% of the apps that are free are supposed to entice you to buy the full version. So there are many free versions. The question is, whether they work. eambo: If the devs really wanted to get money (for want of a better phrase ), I think charging a modest fee, say 99 cents, would be the easiest way! For those who pick at every single word, I AM NOT suggesting in even the slightest way that AF is worth only 99 cents. I am simply saying it would be more effective than a donate link. I AM ALSO NOT suggesting that the devs should make AF a paid game. The devs can do whatever they want, and SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO CHARGE, I support them charging any price they want, as long as it can be justified. I would certainly pay 99 cents for a game of this caliber, no problem. However, I remember a few years ago before I had a credit card it was a nightmare. So many games you couldn't get, so much you couldn't do, because a lot of things have to be paid for by credit cards. I'm talking in general here, not about the iPhone in particular. Although I guess most people with an Ipod/Iphone wouldn't be too young, I do know a few people under the age of 18 who do not have a credit card and are unable to even sign up to Apple because they require a credit card. I personally had to use a pre-paid credit card X-D
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Post by eliu87 on Sept 7, 2008 19:28:27 GMT -5
Ya, I hear you. I tend to buy iTunes Store items solely with store credit. Which means? Apple just lost out on at least $50 worth of App Store purchases from me. And I know of people who went out and bought a couple $50 iTunes cards in anticipation of the update.
Apple's reply on my concerns: Apparently, via some obscure footnote or outdated law, Apple is legally not allowed to charge App Store purchases onto store credit in Canada.
Hmm..but they're allowed to charge store credit for movies, music videos, eBooks, music, and the rest? And apparently they can charge store credit in the rest of the world?
Oh, and seeing as the price/are the devs making money/donations issue is quite hot, I have stickied this thread.
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Sept 7, 2008 19:53:27 GMT -5
Dude. What? How would keeping the app free have ANYTHING to do with cheating? You're mixing this up with someone like me cracking a paid app. You're selling CARS. SELLING. The app right now is FREE. And should STAY FREE if they expect to keep a userbase, OR make their already great product a hell of a lot better to get a paying one. It's called perspective. In most civilized conversations, it has value. I don't blame you for not getting this though, as it's plain to see that you don't participate in many civilized conversations. Carry on with your banter... The topic is dead, when the forum decides it's dead. This one happens to still be relevant. Please leave your soapbox at home next time; you don't seem to fully understand how to use it very well. If that's the case, why do you feel the need to post such hateful messages? Seriously, lighten up.
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Sept 7, 2008 19:59:03 GMT -5
Oh, and seeing as the price/are the devs making money/donations issue is quite hot, I have stickied this thread. Ha! Very appropriate response to the troll who says kill the thread! :salute:
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Post by timdrekkin on Sept 8, 2008 0:15:42 GMT -5
Ya, I hear you. I tend to buy iTunes Store items solely with store credit. Which means? Apple just lost out on at least $50 worth of App Store purchases from me. And I know of people who went out and bought a couple $50 iTunes cards in anticipation of the update. Apple's reply on my concerns: Apparently, via some obscure footnote or outdated law, Apple is legally not allowed to charge App Store purchases onto store credit in Canada. Hmm..but they're allowed to charge store credit for movies, music videos, eBooks, music, and the rest? And apparently they can charge store credit in the rest of the world? Oh, and seeing as the price/are the devs making money/donations issue is quite hot, I have stickied this thread. Well now it's hot, now that some people necro'ed the thread. " timdrekkin: I hate to disagree, but... Take a quick surf through 'All Free Apps'. I can't go a page without seeing tons of 'XYZ Lite', 'ABC Free Edition', or 'DEF Ad Sponsored' I would bet over 50% of the apps that are free are supposed to entice you to buy the full version. So there are many free versions. The question is, whether they work." You are 100% correct, I take back that statement with my foot in my mouth. ;D "It's called perspective. In most civilized conversations, it has value. I don't blame you for not getting this though, as it's plain to see that you don't participate in many civilized conversations. Carry on with your banter..." OH, I see what you mean now. Very well. Your original message from which this was quoted was very misleading, but then again I'm not here to correct. "The topic is dead, when the forum decides it's dead. This one happens to still be relevant. Please leave your soapbox at home next time; you don't seem to fully understand how to use it very well." A couple weeks with no replies pretty much kills the thread. It seems like all we're doing is attacking one another. Since the devs do pop on and post things, why can't they reply here? Seriously, that would settle a LOT. Oh, and the troll comment? Please. You did no better in your reply. ;D Professional GM's, anyone?
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Post by theconfuzed1 on Sept 10, 2008 0:33:19 GMT -5
Your reply seemed very trollish to me at the time, and to be fair, I just read it again (you know, for perspective), and it still reads that way to me. If it wasn't intended to be so, then fine. In either case, your most recent response seems a bit "friendlier," for lack of a better term. Either way, I've never been one to hold a grudge, and as long as we can keep things civil, you can have you soapbox back. For the record, two weeks, does not a dead thread make, when it is one that has not lost it's relevance.
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Post by ianongbc on Sept 11, 2008 3:30:32 GMT -5
I think this is one of the best game ever.. i have paid for quite a number of the games on the app store already.. couldn't believe this is FREE... anyway.. keep up the good work.. would continue to support this game if you ever decide to start charging on the next installment / chapter.. My only problem with the game is that it just used up too much battery power.. (
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Post by MacGyver on Sept 14, 2008 23:02:19 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but in Canada, we can only purchase apps through credit cards, as iTunes gift cards aren't accepted, due to 'sales regulations'. I don't want to use my credit card for iTunes, so hopefully AF will stay free, because if it doesn't unless iTunes changes it's policy, I might have no choice but to simply quit... However, I completely support an option to donate...maybe Danielle and Jason could set up a PayPal account or something ...they've got my donation if they do... Ditto that, I'm in the exact same position.
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Post by tib on Sept 19, 2008 6:34:56 GMT -5
well ... I'd gladly pay some for this awesome game but in Romania the iTunes Store only accepts some credit cards. Neither my personal nor business ones are accepted.
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