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Post by asmeurer on Aug 12, 2008 1:03:07 GMT -5
They might even make more money if they choose a donation plan instead of a charging one. Consider this: paid apps in the app store cannot be tested, so unless people can see that it's something that they want from the description or if they have tried it on another device (say, a friend's), they won't risk buying it. I think this would be a disadvantage for Aurora Feint, which you really have to play to get into it. Second, if they charge $10 for the game, they only get $7 from anyone who buys it because of Apple's 70-30 pricing plan. Neither of these is an issue for donation.
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Post by nbnb on Aug 12, 2008 3:45:42 GMT -5
Anyway, all of you "threatening" to leave the game if it became paid: if they release the game and you have to pay for it and *I* buy the game at, oh, 7.99 euro ... that probably means they got 7.99 euro more than they would ever get releasing it for free. And if you want to donate, oh fine, but why not pay for the game?Cool. Must be great to play an mmo all alone Yes. 7,99 is more than nothing. (ok. Maybe they will find 100 really addicted players and get 800 bucks.) And then? When they start chaging they WONT NEED better servers Cause there are only 100 players left. A strong userbase is worth much more than financial support. It keeps the project alive. Do you really still think that "free" versus "priced" is the factor of success for a game? Hundreds of thousands of people have found a way around the Credit Card problem just to play World of Warcraft. And that's a paid game, people.You cant compare WoW to AF. WoW is an MMORPG. WoW is proven to be highly addictive. WoW has community features. WoW has no "end". WoW has no major bugs. WoW had/has like 10^99 hours of developing? Start charging and the game is over.
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Post by shima53 on Aug 12, 2008 8:20:38 GMT -5
nbnb, please read sundrgan13's post, I do not want to repeat it...I think some ( a lot) of us would pay for a well developed version of AF. With more hours/months for the devs to work on this. (like WoW) this will happen! Meanwhile they are trying to use the community to help them improve the game..let's help and not hurt their efforts..a little more optimisim, a little less pessimism, please?
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Post by nbnb on Aug 12, 2008 9:11:54 GMT -5
I never realize when to stop arguing nevermind
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Post by shima53 on Aug 12, 2008 10:24:23 GMT -5
nbnb, I'm here to help you remember. (and thanks for all the "effort" you have put into this community and game) Hopefully one day we will be able to compare AF to WoW...it will be great to be part of that process!!
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Post by sundrgn13 on Aug 12, 2008 14:59:25 GMT -5
shima53, thank you for helping me clarify my point (and helping to bring nbnb back from the Dark Side). karma to you. And, nbnb - it's great that we can have a good debate on the subject and see all sides of an issue. It gets us all thinking. (of course, even better than a debate, is when everyone just agrees w/ me. )
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Post by eliu87 on Aug 12, 2008 15:31:21 GMT -5
Guys, I'd like to point something out. Take the case of BreakClassic. It was a app that was initially free. Within 24 hrs., the price was modified to 0.99. Now BreakClassic is a decent game and a pretty good app, with constant updates. I'm sure most of us would have paid the 99 cents. However, because BreakClassic was initially free, and now it costs money, a lot of people were pissed off, especially those who maybe heard about it at work, was told it was free, and went home to find it at 99 cents. It didn't matter that a second version, BreakClassic Lite, was also released for free. People were pissed off, and BreakClassic is now no longer in the Top 10 (in fact, it's not even in the Top 100).
Same thing with AF. AF starts free, then suddenly costs $9.99? I will admit that even at $9.99, AF is worth it. But many people, such as casual gamers looking for a free game, will be pissed off. In short, nbnb has a point: AF will lose a lot of players if it suddenly starts costing real money.
Also, WoW is seriously different from AF. WoW has expansive maps and worlds. AF has four places you can go to. WoW allows you to play in real time with people around the globe. AF currently doesn't support that, and I can't see it happening in the near future. WoW is 3D. AF is 2D.
Not saying the AF is a bad game, because it obviously isn't. But I think all of us here would agree that WoW is much different than AF.
And by the way, I'd like to clear this up: I meant that iTunes gift cards in CANADA CANNOT be used to purchase apps. In short, all paid apps must be paid for using a credit card, and only a credit card. Other methods of payment are not accepted.
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Post by asmeurer on Aug 12, 2008 15:38:20 GMT -5
Didn't know that about break classic. Glad I am constantly scanning for new apps and grabbing the good free ones.
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Post by eliu87 on Aug 12, 2008 15:51:13 GMT -5
Lol same here Here's something I'm interested in: If you right-click an app in 'Applications' and click show in Explorer (show in Finder for Mac), you find all the apps in the .ipa format. I'm sure it's illegal, but theoretically if you sent the app to a friend, and the friend placed the file in the Mobile Applications folder, which is where all the other apps go, wouldn't iTunes detect the app and allow you to sync it, thus getting a 'free' app?
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Post by sundrgn13 on Aug 12, 2008 15:58:10 GMT -5
One clarification from my earlier posts:
I'm not advocating that Aurora Feint, The Beginning should become a paid app when it gets bug free. I think that it should stay free. It is like the "Lite" editions of all of the other free apps. This is AF's introduction to their type of game. It gets people on board and teaches them how to play (and creates addicts). So, if you consider this the "lite" version, then when you get to levels 8/8 and 4/4 and master everything it is "game over". you've had your free taste.
BUT... AF Part II (The middle, the continuation, whatever it's called) - that can be a paid app (provided it's bug free, of course), with all of the never-ending collectibles, players, etc. that everyone wants/expects in an AF paid app.
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Post by sundrgn13 on Aug 12, 2008 16:05:11 GMT -5
Lol same here Here's something I'm interested in: If you right-click an app in 'Applications' and click show in Explorer (show in Finder for Mac), you find all the apps in the .ipa format. I'm sure it's illegal, but theoretically if you sent the app to a friend, and the friend placed the file in the Mobile Applications folder, which is where all the other apps go, wouldn't iTunes detect the app and allow you to sync it, thus getting a 'free' app? eliu87 - you have an interesting point. maybe i will try that with my husband when he gets home from work tonight (his iphone, my ipod) and see what happens. After all, everything we own is community property, right? so how could i be stealing?
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Post by asmeurer on Aug 12, 2008 16:16:04 GMT -5
Lol same here Here's something I'm interested in: If you right-click an app in 'Applications' and click show in Explorer (show in Finder for Mac), you find all the apps in the .ipa format. I'm sure it's illegal, but theoretically if you sent the app to a friend, and the friend placed the file in the Mobile Applications folder, which is where all the other apps go, wouldn't iTunes detect the app and allow you to sync it, thus getting a 'free' app? I haven't tried this, but my guess is that it won't work. That would be a pretty simple hole. Maybe with a jailbreak, but not likely otherwise.
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Post by nbnb on Aug 12, 2008 16:48:08 GMT -5
@eliu87 You cant use other peoples apps. In the IPA there are a lot of hashvalues and the ownership is checked in various ways. Perhaps there will be a time this is cracked. but i dont know of any working methods at the moment.
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Post by shima53 on Aug 12, 2008 16:50:15 GMT -5
OK ..we obviously can't compare AF to WoW it is a different platform..let's be realistic...but if AF continues to expand on the game play...and bug fixes...I would certainly pay for this app...look at some of the paid apps now..some of them are sooooooo basic...this game has so much more potential!!
Who knows what the future developments will be with AF??
I am certainly impressed with the Beginning....
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Post by eliu87 on Aug 12, 2008 17:15:54 GMT -5
@eliu87 You cant use other peoples apps. In the IPA there are a lot of hashvalues and the ownership is checked in various ways. Perhaps there will be a time this is cracked. but i dont know of any working methods at the moment. I guess it's only a matter of time..after all, music downloaded from iTunes is DRM-protected and was supposed to be uncrackable, but people have found ways around it...
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